In an effort to find out why I lost PageRank I have created a definitive guide to the world of PR (not the public relations type, although this post is for you guys
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On this page you will find everything you need to know about:
- What Google PageRank is
- How to get more of it.
- How to Keep it once you have it, and most importantly -
- Actionable Methods you can take right now to Stop it leaking from your site.
So on with the rant Post…
JUNE 29th 2011. A Quick UPDATE
Google Pagerank has just been updated and it looks like they enjoyed this post immensely. PR3 on this page AND a PR3 on the homepage (among many others)
Clearly the steps I took in this post helped immensely and give more weight to why you should read this post and action accordingly!
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Google Recently updated its Pagerank and I was honestly expecting (or hoping) to move to a PageRank of 3. Not only did this not happen – I actually went the other way, and as of Feb11th 2011 AlexWhalley.com has gone from a PR2 to a PR1 website. (not happy Jan)
WTF?
Why The Face indeed.
Before I can even begin to try and understand what I did or didn’t do to earn this demotion I need to understand a little more about what PageRank actually is.
How was Pagerank Born?
PageRank was created by Lawrence ‘Larry’ Page , who also happened to be the guy who created Google too.
In order to understand how PageRank works, I think it best to share with you how it was born…
After enrolling for a Ph.D. program in computer science at Stanford University, Larry Page was in search of a dissertation theme and considered exploring the mathematical properties of the World Wide Web, understanding its link structure as a huge graph. His supervisor Terry Winograd encouraged him to pursue this idea, which Page later recalled as “the best advice I ever got”. Page then focused on the problem of finding out which web pages link to a given page, considering the number and nature of such backlinks to be valuable information about that page (with the role of citations in academic publishing in mind).[13] In his research project, nicknamed “BackRub”, he was soon joined by Sergey Brin, a fellow Stanford Ph.D. student.[13]
John Battelle, co-founder of Wired magazine, wrote of Page that he had reasoned that the “entire Web was loosely based on the premise of citation – after all, what is a link but a citation? If he could devise a method to count and qualify each backlink on the Web, as Page puts it ‘the Web would become a more valuable place’.” Battelle further described how Page and Brin began working together on the project:
- “At the time Page conceived of BackRub, the Web comprised an estimated 10 million documents, with an untold number of links between them. The computing resources required to crawl such a beast were well beyond the usual bounds of a student project. Unaware of exactly what he was getting into, Page began building out his crawler.
To convert the backlink data gathered by BackRub’s web crawler into a measure of importance for a given web page, Sergey Brin (the Co Founder of Google) and Page developed the PageRank algorithm, and realized that it could be used to build a search engine far superior to existing ones. It relied on a new kind of technology that analyzed the relevance of the back links that connected one Web page to another.
In August 1996, the initial version of Google was made available, still on the Stanford University Web site.
In 1998, Brin and Page founded Google, Inc. Page ran Google as co-president along with Brin until 2001 when they hired Eric Schmidt as Chairman and CEO of Google. In January 2011 Google announced that Page would replace Schmidt as CEO in April the same year. Both Page and Brin earn an annual compensation of one dollar. On April 4, 2011, Page will officially become the chief executive officer of Google, while Schmidt steps down to become executive chairman.
Pretty cool huh?
Not only do I find this fascinating, I think it answers the question of what PageRank actually is. The first thing of note is that PageRank has nothing to do with a website Page and everything to do with a ‘let’s name it after Larry’ Page. Why they could not have named it after Brin and made life easy for everyone is beyond me, but I do think they did it on purpose. Sure, PR relates to the page in question, but the PageRank that we have come to know and cherish so much is actually representative of your site as a whole.
What Exactly is Pagerank then?
PageRank is a numeric value that represents how important a page is on the web. Google figures that when one page links to another page, it is effectively casting a vote for the other page. The more votes that are cast for a page, the more important the page must be. Also, the importance of the page that is casting the vote determines how important the vote itself is.
So basically, the more votes (links) you have coming in, and the higher the relevance and authority of that link – the better your own PageRank gets. I would refer to the algorithm on the left but I had trouble returning the variables on k, and the associative properties of x are not congruent with the cartesian coordinates represented by P above. I therefore CLEARLY do not want to make an idiot of myself. Besides, the first answer I got was actually ‘Green’ so I figured I did something wrong.
Factors that Help Increase PageRank.
- Consistently Relevant Content.
Content is the backbone of an authority site, and only through continuous publication of unique quality content that stays consistent to the niche or subject can you hope to increase your PR. - Incoming Links – based on Relevance and Authority
The more links you have pointing to your site from relevant and high ranking sites the better your own PageRank Gets. - Internal Linking – based on relevance and anchor text.
A website has a maximum amount of PageRank that is distributed between its pages by internal links. The more pages you create – the more PageRank you can potentially have, and this is optimized and strengthened by internally linking any or all applicable pages to each other with the relevant anchor text. - Outbound Links – based on relevance and authority
It is a crucial part of good SEO practice to make a habit of linking out to authority sites and relevant pages at least once every few posts as this helps to increase your rank for whatever keyphrases you are talking about and hyperlinking – but this is not necessarily so good for your overall PageRank. Outbound links are a drain on a site’s total PageRank. They Leak PageRank, and so it’s always good practice to make sure the site you are linking to has a higher PR than you and/or is relevant.
Factors that Cause You To Lose Pagerank.
Outgoing Links.
Although Outgoing Links are a necessary part of Good SEO and in turn, increased PageRank – there are two elements to this factor that started setting off alarm bells in my head.
To Increase SEO (and therefore Pagerank) an outgoing link has to meet two criteria:
- Relevant Content on the page being linked to.
- High PR, or at least an authority site. (By authority I mean a page that is either on a High PR site or a page/site that is clearly busy (traffic and conversation wise)
What does this mean for AlexWhalley.com?
With 130 or so posts and over 5500 comments, to say I have a quiet blog is an understatement, but it seems to have come at a cost.
If Non Relevant and low quality outbound links are a drain on your overall Pagerank, then the 3400 or so comments that are not mine are clearly having an effect, so drastic action is required.
As of the 23rd February 2011 Alexwhalley.com is a no-follow comments blog . Keyword Luv has also been removed as this is just adding insult to injury if I leave it there.
I truly believe that every single person who comments on this site does so because of the engaging content and thriving conversation that it generates. I do not think removing the follow attribute will effect my number of comments and the way in which this community engages because, well for one thing – I’m only a PR1 now!!
I will leave this set to no follow until the next Pagerank update. Only then will I know if it has had an effect at all? Remember though, I’m still a do follow blog – so if you really want that backlink, send me a guest post!
Two Many Websites Trying To Rank.
Were you aware that in the eyes of Google you potentially have two identical websites?
As far as the Search Engines are concerned, http://alexwhalley.com and http://www.alexwhalley.com are two different sites! If I don’t fix this then the following occurs:
- I risk having pages on one version of the site or the other deindexed because of duplicate content issues
- If I am linked to by other bloggers, then depending on whether they are a ‘www’ person or a non www person, the link could go to either site.
- I lose the total control of how many backlinks point to my site basically, because I have two of them.
But there is a way to fix this. It’s called URL normalization (or URL canonicalization) but considering that I almost got my tongue caught around my inner ear trying to say that second one, I’ll just stick with normalization thanks!
Ana Hoffman actually posted a how to guide for fixing this, but in her effort to keep things as non technical as possible for her readers, she confused the hell out of me!
Each to their own I suppose – so if my process below confuses you, check out Ana’s post – because it will definitely be for you then. WWW vs non-WWW: Why You Should Put All Your Links in One Basket
If however you refuse to do anything unless the exact technical specifications have been laid out and all the facts have been presented, then Chris Burns of BurnSEO has a post for you.
Chris has written a detailed post where you will find a more technical explanation of how to make your sites canonically correct at How to Make your Site Canonical Friendly
Now I am not techie at all but this is one process that even I could manage, so allow me to show you how to ‘Put All Your Links in One Basket’ (thanks Ana
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*whether you choose to go with the WWW version or the non WWW version is completely up to you.
How to Redirect your WWW and non WWW addresses
It’s called a 301 Redirect and it’s really easy.
Simple log into your HOSTing account (CPanel) and look for something like this: (I am with HostGator, FYI)
When you click on this, the very first Redirect option that greets you is a (Permanent)301. This is the one you want.
The screenshot below is exactly what you would do if you wanted to redirect your site from www to non www, which is the format I prefer.
301 Redirect from www.alexwhalley.com to alexwhalley.com
The Options below the address field include various redirection options, but the first one (www. Redirection: ) is the one you will pick – regardless of which way you are redirecting things.
The other options are more for when you want to redirect one site to another and control whether the www goes there too.
The Wild Card Redirect is…strange to say the least, but not as strange as the warning the preceeds it:
Checking the Wild Card Redirect Box will redirect all files within a directory to the same filename in the redirected directory.
Huh??! I think Dr Suess wrote that one.
So what Now?
Now that you have redirected your site and merged your two versions into one, there is nothing more you need to worry about. From this point forward, regardless of whether someone links to you through www.yourdomain or http://yourdomain – only the one site you specified above will ever receive the link and the recognition that goes with it.
Your 404’s are not Re-Directing Either
We all know the dreaded 404 Error, the one you get when the page you click on is simply not there.
If you are not keeping track of your error links and not redirecting known 404 pages, you are quite simply leaving PageRank Juice on the table.
I see this happen way too often when bloggers go back and change their post titles for better SEO, but inadvertently change the Permalink too. Result – a big fat 404 and no love from Google for that.
What’s worse is that link could have been one you took ages to earn, and is sitting there keyword optimised and everything.
A Great Plugin, which I only found today and installed earlier is called ‘Redirection’ (available Here: http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/redirection/
This plugin actually enables you to do 301 redirections from within wordpress, keep track of your 404 error pages, and then of course set 301 redirections on them as well.
What this means in English (in case I lost you at 123456 etc) is that you can keep your PR by redirecting all bad links to good pages instead
Your Ping List is Terrible
The Reason Google loves your WordPress blog so much is because it has the ability to notify (via a PING) the search Engines everytime you make a change or add content.
The Settings for this are located in your Writing settings (at the very bottom under Update Services) in your Admin Panel and one of two mistakes can happen:
You have only the one ping service that WordPress gave you by default.
You probably didnt even know it was there (maybe)- so when you create a post it is not being crawled and indexed by the search engines first. You want the page content indexed first, but by the time your RSS feed has gone through, chances are that is what will get indexed instead! This is not helping your Pagerank people.
You have too many Ping services listed, and the Search Engines now hate you!
Many of the Ping services have inbuilt notifiers that will then ping other services. If you have hundreds of ping services listed and they all double up and ping each other the same information every time you publish something, pretty soon the Search Engines just assume you are Spam and do not give you the credit you deserve.
Here is my personal Ping Service List, and although extensive, it has never had me banned from any service or search engine. (Feel free to CTRL A – CTRL C it over to your Writing Settings page
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http://1470.net/api/ping
http://api.feedster.com/ping
http://api.moreover.com/RPC2
http://api.moreover.com/ping
http://api.my.yahoo.com/RPC2
http://api.my.yahoo.com/rss/ping
http://bblog.com/ping.php
http://bitacoras.net/ping
http://blog.goo.ne.jp/XMLRPC
http://blogdb.jp/xmlrpc
http://blogmatcher.com/u.php
http://bulkfeeds.net/rpc
http://coreblog.org/ping/
http://mod-pubsub.org/kn_apps/blogchatt
http://www.lasermemory.com/lsrpc/
http://ping.amagle.com/
http://ping.bitacoras.com
http://ping.blo.gs/
http://ping.bloggers.jp/rpc/
http://ping.cocolog-nifty.com/xmlrpc
http://ping.blogmura.jp/rpc/
http://ping.exblog.jp/xmlrpc
http://ping.feedburner.com
http://ping.myblog.jp
http://ping.rootblog.com/rpc.php
http://ping.syndic8.com/xmlrpc.php
http://ping.weblogalot.com/rpc.php
http://ping.weblogs.se/
http://pingoat.com/goat/RPC2
http://rcs.datashed.net/RPC2/
http://rpc.blogbuzzmachine.com/RPC2
http://rpc.blogrolling.com/pinger/
http://rpc.icerocket.com:10080/
http://rpc.newsgator.com/
http://rpc.pingomatic.com
http://rpc.technorati.com/rpc/ping
http://rpc.weblogs.com/RPC2
http://topicexchange.com/RPC2
http://trackback.bakeinu.jp/bakeping.php
http://www.a2b.cc/setloc/bp.a2b
http://www.bitacoles.net/ping.php
http://www.blogdigger.com/RPC2
http://www.blogoole.com/ping/
http://www.blogoon.net/ping/
http://www.blogpeople.net/servlet/weblogUpdates
http://www.blogroots.com/tb_populi.blog?id=1
http://www.blogshares.com/rpc.php
http://www.blogsnow.com/ping
http://www.blogstreet.com/xrbin/xmlrpc.cgi
http://www.mod-pubsub.org/kn_apps/blogchatter/ping.php
http://www.newsisfree.com/RPCCloud
http://www.newsisfree.com/xmlrpctest.php
http://www.popdex.com/addsite.php
http://www.snipsnap.org/RPC2
http://www.weblogues.com/RPC/
http://xmlrpc.blogg.de
http://xping.pubsub.com/ping/
You’re not listed in DMOZ
Okay this one is harder than it sounds. DMOZ is the open source directory… the biggest in fact. More so than Google.
Getting listed in DMOZ is the equivelent of a PR Guarantee. Why? The DMOZ directory is run by real people so the content there is ONLY PURE AWESOMENESS.
When should you apply for a DMOZ listing? When you’re blog starts seeing some traffic, comments, and decent posts… it’s probably a good time to submit. Remember that REAL live people edit each submission… you’ve got to impress someone, not just meet some mathematical criterion. By Getting your site listed in DMOZ you are almost guaranteed to avoid being sandboxed, losing Pagerank or being deindexed.
Good luck finding an applicable category that is still accepting submissions though
What has all this taught me?
Nothing, my brain hurts, and I somehow managed to turn the notes I have been taking into a swan – and I don’t even know Origami!
I have however made a few small changes to the blog, including the implementing of the 301 Redirect, the removal of the follow attribute from the comments, and multiple attempts to get my site listed in DMOZ. One thing I have not looked at is how much all of this actually matters anyway.
Does Pagerank Even Matter?
After all of this, and after whinging and moaning to my wife about it (who just looks at me like I have syphilis) I should actually be asking the most important question, and that is whether Pagerank even matters, or at least how much bearing it has on things.
First and foremost, in the Blogosphere that we inhabit, social media and community rules – so to a large point Pagerank really doesnt matter.
I linked to Ana Hoffman’s post earlier, and she is the perfect example of why PR does not matter. Her Blog – Traffic Generation Cafe, which still has a PR of 0(??!) sees more than 10,000 unique visitors a month and has an Alexa Ranking of under 15,000! Check out some of her Internet Marketing Tools while you are there.
I don’t know about you, but I’d rather that than a good PR anyday!
But…
If you own a blog that has a high PR then you literally halve the amount of necessary backlinks to get your pages ranked. A High Pagerank is like a pat on the back from the President. If Google thinks your OK then EVERYONE thinks your OK. Simple as that.
*A Great tool I recently found for finding High PR backlinks from your competition is Backlink Profit Monster. Read my Full Review Here. Backlink Profit Monster Review
Marketing Takeaway.
Pagerank is an important aspect that provides you with the authority needed to really make a difference in your niche, but it is also only one factor in a sea of variables and traffic sources. The power of social media, community and general engagement can NEVER be underestimated, so get out there and share the love. If you want to increase or keep your Pagerank then it’s simple:
Follow the advice of this post and just ‘be aware’ of what Google is looking for, but continue to blog and market as you have always done.
Remember that the community around you is something tangible, the algorithm … yeah I’m thinking not.
What Do You Think? (post is 2982 words long so you MUST be thinking something
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Sorry Chris, Must have missed the reference in her post – well at least from the point of view of referencing it.
I think your post definitely covers a lot more, and I will edit the post accordingly.
Thanks for stopping by to clarify Chris.
Hey Alex, Thanks for this comprehensive guide! It seems like it was an exhausting endeavor!
My wife has a blog dedicated to soup (seriouslysoupy.blogspot.com – shameless plug, I know) and it has a PR of 3. She has been posting consistently 3 times a week since Oct ’09, is active in the foodie community, so has plenty of links flowing to her blog and out of her blog. However, she receives very few (if any) comments per post, but she still manages that PR of 3. I have a feeling it is because it is a blogger hosted blog (and google does love itself, doesn’t it?) and we have been thinking of switching to wordpress, so that will be the ultimate tell. But I don’t think that PR “helps” her in any way.
Anyway, my point is, what do you plan to do with that high PR, once you get it? Is there a point to it all? Why worry about this too?
Sorry for the delayed reply Lonnie, actually did not go back far enough in my comments to answer them all – whoops
To tell the truth I am not all that phased – but a high PR certainly helps getting ranked. Always nice to get a free SERP boost
Hey Alex,
That’s a real bummer that your rank fell. It doesn’t make sense either as your content is better and better with time – you’re a fine whiskey, my friend!
One factor I think could improve your page rank is your domain age. My blog at bloggersjournal.com is only a few months old, and is PR0. My personal site, markbell.me.uk is years old, and has never seen much content worth talking about. It’s PR1. Go figure.
Hey Mark, sorry for the delayed response.
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Like a fine whiskey I hope this reply is that much better because you waited (No? was worth a try yeah!
The more I think about it the more I hate it!
Yes PR is evil. PR needs someone to handle their PR.
Wow, cute AND smart…
AND doing such a smart thing as giving me some link love – I feel it!
Great post indeed, Alex. Good research.
I wonder if I missed reading it somewhere in the post that Google doesn’t actually own pagerank, Stanford does and the patent is expiring in 2011. http://www.techjaws.com/google-pagerank-dead-or-alive/
Just a cool piece of info….
Hey, come by my blog; see if you can give us some incredibly deep insights on list building (ComLuv link)
Interesting choice to move away from the do-follow blogging. You would be able to keep the do-follow comments if you could maintain a healthy out-linking profile, meaning that you verify each outgoing link so that it does not lead to spammy sites, but if you receive too many comments, then you can probably not control it anymore.
Very thorough stuff here Alex – glad you took that hiccup and turned it into something. I know you were a bit down when you told me about the PR ding but at least we got this post out of it
I need to update a few of my sites since they’re not using redirects for the www.
Overall, PR mehhh. It’s nice and all but like you mentioned with Ana – it doesn’t necessarily mean that the website is more important because it is, after all, an algorithm. People decide on the value of the content, ya know? Like this one
Hi Alex
I reckon it’s worth some link luv just getting to the end of this post lol Some of the detail was lost on me but I did read every word! And I’m glad I haven’t been stressing about PR, probably because I didn’t understand it and still don’t really
It will be interesting to hear your findings when the rankings next come out especially with you making the decision to go no follow.
I was encouraged to visit dofollow blogs when I first got started and once I was part of the commluv community thought that as I was mainly now visiting these sites, they were also dofollow. Have found out since that in fact some aren’t. At least you have let us know that you are now nofollow and people can make up their own mind if they visit or not. I’ll still be over here when you publish your posts that’s for sure
As you know Alex, I respect you and appreciate all the input you have had and still have along the way with my blogging journey. I visit blogs where I will learn, where I can interact and where there is a real community going on. Whether they are dofollow or nofollow doesn’t come into the equation. Interesting post Alex. Appreciated.
Patricia Perth Australia
Hi Alex
I am now following you on twitter so I can keep up with your newest post. Twitter was the services that directed me to this site in the first place.
Thanks for clearing up a lot of my confusion about page rank. Also nice with a little history lesion about how it started
I have had mine NoFollow from the beginning, but so what? The ComLuv Links show up in all my browsers as DOFollow. DoFollow is the whole point of ComLuv. I’m not sure if the link can remain but switched to NoFollow.
They way I see PR, how much traffic is Google sending you? That is the core of the issue.
Rick
Has your Avatar had a haircut?
Ha! I made an intelligent, insightful observation to your heart-felt article, and all you care about is “Da Haya.”
Did you notice the suit, too? I changed the Header of my site, so changed the Avatar to match.
The Little Dude in the overalls has become the Little Fed in the Suit
One day the cartoon will probably be gone altogether, if I can ever get a good photo of me.
I need to change what I said here.
I asked Andy Bailey, the creator of ComLuv and he says the ComLuv links back to a Commenter’s site will be NOFollow if that is how you have your site set up.
What confused me is that when I turn on the DoFollow/NoFollow attribute on Firefox or Chrome, the ComLuv links appear as DOFollow, regardless of how the site is set.
But I have always said I don’t believe the ComLuv links are very good for building your own PR anyway; they are great for bringing people to your site when they see your way cool title.
Rick
I also checked the links using similar tools and link in the comments show nofollow while ComLuv shows dofollow. Then again, you can always add a piece of the code and make them nofollow. Then again, I’ve also seen some of those tools to “read the link” wrong.
When I first started using WP someone told me all links will be nofollow, but the only links that are nofollow on the blog, as far as I could tell, were the links from people’s names in the comment section.
But I must 101% agree with Rick about building back links and PR with ComLuv. I am pretty sure Google doesn’t take them in consideration for PR considering that there are so many and they are easy to get. We all know how much more important are the links in the post content compared to other links on page and I am pretty sure they are not bringing any juice.
But I also noticed, that when ever I write a good title I get more traffic so there is a wonderful use of this plugin. When I don’t have time to visit all blogs from people that comment on mine, I visit those with great titles first. Their titles just scream “Click me”
Thanks for following up Brankica – appreciate the homework on my part LOL
I am keeping the comluv as do follow so there is still some love there, but again only time will tell if this does or does not effect pagerank.
I will have to assume it doesnt because so many blogs have commentluv and would be unaware that it was dofollow, and yet ‘so many’ blogs are PR3 and higher, even the ones younger than I, so domain age cannot play a role here. Not a vital once at least.
Thanks for the awesome comment and insight Brankica
I cannot thank you enough for your dilligence here, and I can only assume that the suit and haircut has brought this on
THanks for following up mate, and as it stands I will just leave it well alone and keep the commentluv do follow.
I also agree with you that its a powerful tool for click throughs if you can draft awesome article titles!
I’ll have to admit that I do still look at PageRank on my blog – which is a zero, and it frustrates me. It really shouldn’t frustrate me – I get plenty of traffic from search engines. I think I put a lot of weight on PageRank early on when I was learning SEO, and it’s a hard habit to drop. Do-follow or no-follow, either way the links are valuable.
Ha! The thing I really noticed in this 2982 word post was that you seem to know how your wife would look at you if you had syphilis… Hilarious.
Anyway, I am not sure that PR really matters to everyone. Certainly, if you are trying to build links, it MIGHT make a difference. Supposedly, there are a couple hundred criteria that go into ranking a page. If that is the case, then really, who cares?
The bigger question is this. Has this changed the rankings you have for any of your keywords? If you desire search to be a meaningful source of traffic for your site, then it does make sense to go after links from higher PR sites.
The funny thing is that, when I went out and did some research, I found a bunch of PR 4+ blogs that do not get much traffic. What is the point there, I ask (loudly)?
One other thing – I have been thinking about removing KeywordLuv as well. There is a plugin (can’t remember the name) that some people use to keep the link juice within their site by creating a page for the comments of each commentator and then pointing their keywords to that page. I am not sure how that effects SEO, but it sure feels sleazy and dishonest. Any thoughts on that?
Never fear Alex. I have a feeling that your PR will be on the upswing next time (whenever that is). And then you will RULE THE WORLD!
Ok, maybe that was over the top. Have a great day!
Mark, it is called SEO Super Comments. I have been using it since Aug 1st last year. My home page has a PR3 and several posts/tag/category pages PR1 & 2. I am not sure what I have done for that to happen. I have been commenting here and there with no fixed agenda, mixing it up a bit with some ezine articles, not taking a lot of notice of keyword links etc and just having some fun.
Maybe that is the secret, smile each time you post a comment or blog post
By the way, I don’t get the slightest pang or twinge of sleaziness or dishonesty when using the plugin. I am re-writing it so that they keywords point offsite to the comment author’s blog but coming up against a little glitch. Never mind, for now, the plugin works as you say above but will soon be sending link love back at comment authors from their keywords. There will still be an internal page with their comments but it will link from a different part of the comment in each post.
Michael
Thanks Michael!
I meant to follow this up and find out from Ana Hoffman, but you saved me the trouble.
Cheers
Hi Michael,
Thanks for explaining. I would really be interested in knowing when you have updated the plugin. It sounds like a great idea.
Have a great day!
Hey Alex. As a DMOZ editor myself, let me explain some things about your DMOZ mention.
#1) It is important to submit your listing only ONCE, and then forget it. If you submit it more than once, your listing is bumped from its queue and moved lower in the queue.
#2) Make sure you submit it to the proper category. Many times, a listing will be sent to the wrong place, and passed around multiple times until it finally gets to the right category. Then it sits there until the editor for that category (if there is one) or someone who has rights to edit that category get around to checking it out.
#3) When submitting your listing, avoid hype text. Hype text is that text telling people how great your site is. Editors have seen every kind of site out there, so you will only impress them if you actually use basic description to describe your website. Making an editor go and come up with a new description for your listing just makes more work for them, and they may decide to edit easier listings first.
I hope those things help.
Actually, I wouldn’t bother with DMOZ, because it’s almost impossible to get. The moderators are incredible corrupt and if you know one you have to offer him perks in order for him to approve your link.
Also, because of this Google doesn’t trust DMOZ as it used to and now a link from there only worth something like 50+ other directories. Like PR it’s just an other overrated internet myth.
Should I be offended Alex? Remember, I am a DMOZ editor. Any corrupt editors are caught faster than you can take a bathroom break, and their privileges are revoked immediately.
No, I am not saying that all of them are like that. But I know at least one, so there are some that take bribes to list your directory.
Alex,
Loved your explanation of URL canonicalization- Now that my head is not swimming on the subject I can go and fix it.
I have always been no-follow and added comment luv earlier this year which now makes my comments do-follow. My PR went up from 2 to 3. Go figure.
Still working on my Alexa rating so if you have any ideas on that one let us know.
Hey Alex,
sorry for the PR but I think that is totally irrelevant for some things.
I never looked at PR of blogs I visit or comment on and I won’t start now. I didn’t even know you had PR like that. My favorite blog has been online for years, has thousands visitors every day, Alexa 5.000 but “only” PR 4.
As far as the no-follow goes, I hope it will help you rank higher in the next update and just wanna say that blogs like yours and some others can have all the no-follow and no-links they want, I will still read them and comment
And as far as links, plugins or what ever goes, I think every blogger can decide what to use, it is after all their blog. All you can lose are people who are here for links only.
Keep up the great work and I am loving all the newsletter e-mails I am getting from you!
Hey Brankica, thanks so much for your awesome comment!!
Not only do you provide great insight and add value to the post, you tell me indirectly how awesome I am. You are welcome back anytime!
Thanks for the feedback on the emails too – that honestly means a lot!
Wow dude if you ever write anything this long and complex again I’ll personally make my way to your house and eat all your peanut and jelly sandwiches!!
Seriously though thanks for the insight into how Google and Page rank work and for emphasizing the point that PR isn’t the be all and end all.
Michael
Haha, but we’re Aussie mate, why on earth would I have Jam and Peanut Butter sandwiches, or Jelly for that matter – eewwww.
Next your gonna tell me that you love pickles.
What happened to you man?
You used to be all about the music.
But you changed man.
You changed….
LOL – thanks for the comments man, next time I post a massive one, Ill have the cold beer waiting
Hey Alex,
PR’s aside. I can see that despite all the comments here saying that PR is not that important, you’re going to put more importance in PR or at least a little more. Anyway my head’s spinning with the amount of info you provided here. Oh and if I were you, I would most definitely preserve my PR from dropping further
As for the part about getting into DMOZ, I think I’ll save that part for next time. Not a MAJORLY important thing for me personally.
It’s more of trying to build great content and then the links will come in from all directions, which I’m sure you are adept at right now.
Hey Bryan,
Thanks for a super awesome comment my friend – and in all honestly I am not really concerning myself with it, although I am going to make a conscious effort to get some link love from authority sites this year and with the changes I ahve made here, hopefully that will be enough for Google to see sense. Damn you Googlee eyed bastard algorithm
How page rank born story is really interesting. If we produce good content and do little promotion we can easily get pagerank i feel. moreover is page rank really important? who really cares about it? i have a pr 0 blog that makes good revenue in adsense and another pr 3 blog that makes nothing. so whats the use in pr. for selling links and making paid reviews pr is useful. what u think?
I loved the history – so much so I had to include it, glad you liked it too Mukundan.
You my friend make a great point, both with the example you gave as well as what use a high PR blog is.
I was getting $50 a week to simply add a link to an old post but not anymore
Hey Alex, all is not lost. So long as your income doesn’t take a hit then who really cares?
I comment on blogs with or without all those plug-ins we rave about from time to time. The decision to comment or not depends more on the nature of the post, the likability of the blogger – this is measured using the Blogger Score or BS and I’d say you’re a BS7 in your niche – and the call to action at the bottom of the post.
You hit the mark on all three so you’ll continue to do well regardless of PR. Just keep your BS on the up and up and you’ll be fine.
Michael.
I do like your blog score, but a 7?! surely I’m at least a 7.5?!
The BS scale makes me think of the Bullshit scale, so when I first read it I was like – huh? Im a 7 – sheesh, thanks Michael, I love you too… LOL
Thanks for the awesome feedback and encouragement Michael – hopefully Ill get it back and honestly, in the big scheme of things – I don’t care
Now THAT’s a tutorial Alex, and I couldn’t agree more…with the things I understood. LOL
This page should absolutey be linked to when anyone is discussing PR…I know I will.
LOL Loved the ability to translate speech into a comment. I so pictured the triumphant and resounding “I TOTALLY AGREE” and then the sheepish continuation LOL.
as for the rest of the comment.
TOo bloody right! Right on! Bravo, and all that
thanks Dennis
Thanks man, it’s rare that people actually get that, especially when I can’t lower the font. LOL
A good wordsmith doesnt need to lower the font – clearly
Peace Out Mr Edell (who speaks like that, I mean really?)
Imagine blogging in the 60′s.
PageRank is what it’s cracked up to be. There are sites that have been around for a couple years and not a single PageRank, while others can climb to PR2 or 3 within a month for no good reason. It’s the content that should be focused on, and the users. In this case, I think removing dofollow was a bad idea because you are not getting anything from it search engine wise, but you are taking something away from your readers.
Removing dofollow from the comments is not taking away from the readers in my opinion for two reasons:
1: The top commentator widget is still do follow so the top ten commentators each month get the love, more motivation to earn it then i say
2: a good comment brings you more traffic from real people than the do follow link ever would, so I say poo to you and your opinion LOL
Hey Alex,
I wouldn’t worry about PR, I mean actually, I don’t know. do you worry about it? You don’t necesarly need to have PR 10 to be first in SERPs I often see PR0 outranking articles from ehow and other content farm (and no exact match domain or something, just the titles).
If you want to conserve your PR nofollow is definitely the way to go, although I am not sure if this is the reason that your blog dropped, because in 2010 in november one of my PR5 website dropped, suddenly, when there isn’t even a PR update from 5 to 1. I didn’t really see a drop in traffic or anything, and at the next update Google gave my PR back.
I really don’t know what to tell in this situation, I think for now, nofollow is the solution or building more backlinks or both.
I wish you good luck in getting your PR back from those google Nazi.
Oh, I almost forgot, quality content doesn’t help you at all get higher PR, unless of course it brings you heaploads of links. PR is strictly about links, it measures the importance of a page by calculating the power of the links pointing to it. So if you point enough links to an empty page, you will make it PR10(when I say enough links I mean millions).
P.S. I stole your PR and stashed it, somewhere, around here… I think.
You know, when my PR dropped the first thing I thought was ‘Damn You Alex, what did you do?!!?’ Of course I was speaking internally and referring to me, but that’s just semantics right?
Ya bastard – gimme back my pagerank! ;(
Great point about the quality content Alex, very true indeed.
Ironically – this post has been receiving a lot of attention, and could be the one that brings me back – oh wouldn’t that be ironic.
I have had a few RT’s where Google has had the @mention so I have RT’d that with a little “Yeah Larry, gimme back my pagerank man!”
I don’t think this method is very effective.
Trying to get listed in DMOZ is largest a waste of time (but more power to anyone who can get it done!) and pagerank isn’t nearly as important as real traffic. Your C-Panel traffic is most accurate and you can use Compete and Alexa to see how you’re doing.
There are plenty of sites that have no pagerank but lots of traffic and buyers. THAT is what is most important – not some number game.
Thanks for sharing your insight and adding value to the post Gail. Great tip on the CPanel traffic… between you and me, is that true?
Because I always have much better traffic stats in my cpanel than I do in analytics. Surely the analytics is right?
That is the same thing that I am wondering after reading Gail’s comment. Is Cpanel traffic better than Google Analytics? I wonder?
you have to remember cpanel traffic also counts bot visits and your own, which analytic filters. So you have to read cpanel data carefully.
For all of you are are having issues with DMOZ, I have a post scheduled for March 5th that lists tips for being listed in DMOZ. I listed the do’s and do-not’s so you have a better chance of being listed.
The problem most people don’t get is that DMOZ is a high quality directory for one reason. It is not FOR webmasters. People submit their site and then expect to get listed. The fact is that we list sites for the people looking for them, and that’s it. The submission process is only a formality, and editors are encouraged to find websites to list on their own. That doesn’t mean we don’t go through the queue and edit sites for inclusion or deletion. Most of the time, a site has to be edited and kept in queue because it has potential, but just isn’t there yet.
Anyways, please don’t bash me anymore. I am a volunteer editor, and I do it for fun in my spare time. The few cases where an editor has been caught getting bribes have always been dealt with swiftly, and will continue to be if it ever comes up again.
Check the post on the 5th if you want to increase your chances of being listed.
A great tutorial Alex, some great things mentioned. Thanks for the updated ping list. Talking about the ping list, I think one can also used Ping Optimization plugin like the CBnet Ping Optimizer to avoid duplicate pings every time one updates the post.
Well like many people said Pagerank is not everything but yes it does still hold value even though it may be less. Best of luck in regaining your Pagerank, I will also try to follow some of your tips specially I will try filtering my comments and allow only the best ones to remain.
Hey Shiva,
Thanks for the value add my man. Definitely looking into that plugin because that would resolve any problems with the ping list I guess.
Again, thanks for the comment and for adding to the post mate, this is one comment I will let remain
Hi Alex,
I don’t want to come off the wrong way, but there are holes all through this. The first thing is the difference between:
1. PageRank which is constantly updated, but which you never see;
and
2. Toolbar PageRank which is an export of real PageRank once every 3-6 months, which is out of date immediately, and which often has penalties that don’t apply to real PageRank, such as the Traffic Generation Cafe obviously has.
Without understanding that, you can’t really talk about PageRank. I highly recommend you read David Harry (The Gypsy) on SEO Bullshit:
http://seobullshit.com/myth-tool-bar-pagerank/
Hey, I used to write posts like this (although not as thorough), but I’m sick of seeing posts about PageRank which are fundamentally flawed – no offence!
And it has nothing to do with you stopping using KeywordLuv
(I’m the author of KeywordLuv and I stopped using it years ago!).
Stephen mate, No offence taken whatsoever!
Thanks so much for stopping by and sharing such incredibly valuable insight toward the situation.
I think my post is not that flawed, surely the only flawed premise was the associated between toolbar pagerank and real pagerank, something I was completely unaware of, but will be reading the Gypsys post with great interest.
I apprecaite you taking the time to comment, and I take the fact that you used to write posts like this (but not as awesome) as a compliment, so thankyou.
Besides, what is SEO but a bunch of opinions and ideas. What is true today may not be tomorrow, and that is just the natire of the beast.
BTW _ are you really the creator of Keyword Luv? Thats bloody awesome man! Seriously! WOW
I stopped using it because I figured there was no point having a nofollow attribute on a keyword optimised link?
What an awesome post, Alex! I learned a ton from this post.
Now, let me go check the BrinRank…I mean PageRank…for my own blog…
Haha nice one Moe!
I tell you what, I’m not Happy with Google, but I still blame those Buxom wenches for this
Great post man; Over the course of time mine had dropped from a PR5 to 0.
Few of my reason were
1) internal structure. I know you’ve mentioned it above and I’ve been tweaking away at it (heck my latest post is on it) it is a big plug hole if done wrong.
2) Broken links – again it just wastes the ‘juice’ so keep an eye on that.
3) *cough* selling links. I got a nice message in my google webmaster inbox after a manual review of my site that basically said … you got paid links, get rid of them and we’ll give your PR back!
4) Lack of updates – think the past 6 weeks has been my most consistent posting cycle since I started the blog back in 07.
Saying that; over the years my traffic has just grown (just edging over 10k a month now) and rankings have not taken a hit since the PR drops. Though it is a nice metric. I will be refunding the advertisers and removing links, and after a theme revamp will give it in for reconsideration at Google,
WOW Don, that is an interesting story – example that you have provided.
You make a good point that really in the end it comes down to how much traffic you get and how much money you make – PR is just another element.
Thanks for sharing Don!
I think you make some good points regarding canonicalization of URLs and 404 pages but some of your PageRank theories are a bit off. First of all, as others have mentioned the Toolbar PageRank is a snapshot into the past and only accounts for link equity. Google’s internal PageRank is what really matters and none of us outside the Googleplex will ever see it in action. It’s constantly updating and incorporates many more factors than the Green bar you see in your browser. Because of this TBPR is really not important.
The second issue I have is with the implication the idea that linking offsite will “leak” PageRank. This is simply not true. If you link to another site PageRank will be passed but you don’t lose any PageRank yourself. Now if you linked to an internal page on your site you are passing value to that internal page and more links offsite means there is less value flowing internally but it does not leak PageRank in that your PR score will not drop because of this. Related to that is the fact that nofollow no longer focuses or silos PageRank. In the past adding nofollow told Google not to follow a link and remove the link from the link graph of that site. So if you had 4 links on a page and 2 were nofollowed the other 2 links would pass all the available PageRank. Google has recently changed so that now the PageRank is distributed to all 4 links even though the nofollow links are not technically being followed by Google. In other words while you are telling Google that you don’t vouch for the links they are still breaking up your PageRank through all links instead of ignoring the nofollow links. So in the end adding nofollow is doing nothing to make your internal links stronger and you are really no better off than you before (assuming you were fully vetting your dofollow links to ensure they were pointing to quality sites.
In the end you should really ignore TBPR and focus on proper site structure, quality content, and developing quality backlinks.
Mark,
That is really interesting about the links not leaking because although I admit reading that somewhere, my studies for this post concluded that it was the case. Obviously I am only going off second hand information and there are too many elements to ever know if me making the comments nofollow effects PR, but I would be very interested to continue this conversation and get your thoughts – more of them I mean
I will be creating an update post to this one and I would love to get some more details about the valid points your made in this comment
Thanks again Mark, I really appreciate your constructive critisicm and insight
Alex,
Of course. Feel free to reach out to me any time.
Hi Alex,
I followed you from Ana’s blog after the delicious guest post you did over there. I came over here and the first post I read was ‘The Stupidest Thing You Thinked Online’ and you got me hooked already!
It’s a pity about your the PR. But that is not what brought me here neither did I check out your PR before I read the first post. What brought me here was the awesome guest article you wrote and what hooked me here long enough for me to comment was your funny and natural style of writing.
Yes it makes you feel good to have a high PR because you are in a techy niche where all your readers know or at least have heard about it. Readers of non-techy niches may take PR to mean Public Relations for all they care
(Now you should add that one to the stupidest thought list)
So don’t think too much about it. I will bookmark your site and will surely come back.
Haha thanks Maky! – I guess the next stupidest thing was thinking i could keep my PR LOL
You are right in that PR means nothing in the big scheme of things, especially a blogosphere run by relationships, community and social media
Thanks for taking the time to swing by and comment Maky, you are welcome back anytime
Thanks for the thorough post – the tips were great. I know how important Page ranking is, but I don’t like the idea of the NoFollow just to get ranked higher. I hope your experiment proves unsuccessful so others don’t follow your lead. When you’re first starting out links are very important and it would make it very difficult for a new person to ever get ranked if most sites were NoFollow.
Thanks for stopping by Connie.
This post will be getting an update soon because of all the new information that has come to light, and as for the no follow – I still have the top commentators widget and the dofollow attribute on the commentluv plugin so all is not lost
It is a nice and informative post and I have started to make all the changes that are recommended here except making comments on my blog no follow – I guess since my blog is still PR O, I can afford to be “magnanimous” (or I can’t?). In any case, I think I’ll any day trade a high PR for higher traffic. For now.
And after having made that bold statement, I Think having a high PR is like having a High Base Metabolic Rate (BMR). If your BMR is high you can afford to skip the exercise routine for a few days and still not put on fat. That is why we envy people who have higher BMR – they can eat what they please and still are slim. On the other hand if the BMR is low, then you need to run the treadmill if you want to be fit and trim looking. That is what a low PR will do – you have to continuously promote the blog “actively” to ensure that the traffic to it does not fall; whereas high PR will ensure that even if you did not engage for sometime with the social media or other bloggers, you will not see a dip in the traffic because the Search engines will keep sending you readers.
Also the need for high PR is more acute in case of sites that are engaged in internet marketing – bloggers who want to make money online, ecommerce sites etc. After all their earning is in direct proportion to the targeted traffic that they receive (which will automatically come because of high PR ranks) just as a retailer’s earnings in the real world are dependent on customer traffic that walks into the doors for the retail store.
Sanjeev,
Wow you know how to leave a lasting impression
Thanks for your comment on my guest post, and then for following it up with this one!
I appreciate the value add here and thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts and insight.
I will add this information to an upcoming follow up post to this, because as you can see – there is A LOT of extra information that has been provided in the comments thread.
I LOVE COMMUNITY
Hey Alex, you could rename this post to “The blogger who kicked a hornet’s nest”. You wouldn’t happen to have a dragon tattoo?
Many of the people who drop by an IM blog and buy things and click on banners and ads don’t have the PR toolbar thingo and think that Alexa is your sister. I know there may be some correlation between SERP position and PR but in the big scheme of things, having an active community trumps everything else.
Your blog byline doesn’t mention SEO so chill, kick back and bask in the glow of all these comments warming up your Alexa score and probably helping your PR along the way.
Michael.
Hi Alex, whew, what an excellent and long post! But well worth the read and jam packed full of awesome info.
I have a love/hate relationship with PR. Of course, we all want a high PR, but it’s true that it doesn’t matter so much these days. After all, Google itself explains in the FAQs that PR is only one of over 200+ ranking factors in their algorithm. And PR is flawed, since so many people have learned to game the system.
I’ve been seeing a lot about the split website thing as well, with no “www.” and with “www.” This is great stuff to know.
I have a different site listed in the DMOZ and I talked about it a while ago on my blog, but some of my readers expressed their concern that DMOZ was dead and there were no real benefits to get from it anymore. Honestly, I still think DMOZ works. And it doesn’t hurt to apply for it either, it takes like 2 minutes!
Thanks for such an informative post, Alex. A lot of people who are misinformed about Google PR could learn a lot from this!
I have to add something here, to agree with Elise. Although I don’t have any sites in DMOZ I do have a niche site listed in some free, plain directories. That niche site had a small number of links from those kind of directories, a few from Ezine articles and a few from commenting. The niche is fairly competitive. But it got a PR after a few months.
So I think that directories still count, especially those which are human controlled for approval and that have been online for awhile.
Thanks for mentioning this, Elise!
Alex,
First off, you are freakin hilarious! Secondly, your content is terrific. I’ve read through some of your posts and love your style.
I’ve never heard of a PR demotion, that’s messed up. Is there a huge difference for you between having a PR3 and a PR1, really?
Dang Alex what a post! Now that was very helpful and informational.
Most of this online stuff still boggles my mind but when I run across posts such as yours, you help explain things so much better than some sites I visit. I continue to shake my head and wonder what it all means. But you definitely made this perfectly clean and I received a great education on page ranking now. Thanks for that!
Awesome post Alex, you rock!!!
Adrienne
Quite descriptive guide regarding to Google algorithm. Still i don’t have page rank but thanks i will consider these tips and have taken a screen-shot of page for my help folder.
Alex, The post was a little long but I read it twice as it has so much information about PR.
One of my blog has been moved from Google’s 1st page to 3rd for some keywords while there is no new website and all the existing are very poor in content and have very less relevant content except 1 or two. My URL also contains the keywords and every post is relevant.
I am confused.
Alex,
Great post. You know what…and I’m sure others might disagree with me…but I wouldn’t worry about the pagerank too much. That, or I don’t full understand it maybe.
I think you are better focused by building an email list, having great followers, and creating profits instead.
I mean, pagerank is a factor…maybe in your pages getting found. but you have such a huge presence from non-SEO searches…that it’s impact may be marginal. Yeah, it hurts. It hurts traffic, it hurts pride. But, ultimately page rank doesn’t normally pay your bills.
Just some thoughts. Don’t beat yourself up over it. You’re a good guy…with a great following…and you’ll manage without it…or once google readjusts some things…you may end up with a PR6? :0
Brandon
So much information and so little time. Thank you Alex for the post and wow…what a LOT of comments on your post. I will be a while following the links in the comments for a few weeks…maybe months.
I really like Ana Hoffman’s blog_went straight to my bookmarks.
OK off to Module 3… kudos for that too Alex
Alex, mate, I’m going to be really bloody honest with you mate, I didn’t read all your post, not that I didn’t find it interesting because what I read was indeed top notch stuff, but because I don’t give a rat’s arse about PR.
I’ve been dofollow since day one. I have commentluv and keyword luv and as far as I know all links are dofollow as well. If I think a site is unsavory I don’t link to it, as simple as that. Anyway, even though I am doing all the wrong things I’m still a PR4 and that’s with all the juice I’m leaking from all my comments, which BTW I think is total BS. Even my LoadOfBullshit blog went from n/a to PR1 and Google won’t even let me show adsense ads on that one.
Seriously mate, I wouldn’t stress over PR. I know I stopped long ago after my first Google Slap and ever since I did that I’ve been a much happier blogger.
Thanks Sire.
Funny thing is that the only reason I was stressed is because every time I go for a real life SEO job (not that I have done that for a while) they always want to know the PR of my sites. I tell them its not a factor that should constitute a good worker necessarily, but I think they just have to ask because they forgot what it is they actually do! LOL
Awesome insight re: your own PR dude – thanks heaps for sharing
Wankers, the question they should be asking is how well are your keywords ranking in the SERPS?
haha, that response earns you a cold one my friend!
Cheers!
Somehow I have the same Page Rank I did when I had 40 back-links to now when I have over 500,000…I’m not sure why it hasn’t changed. Traffic and rankings have increased though, so I haven’t worried to much.
That’s it then – I officially give up!
Lol. I did. I think page rank is one of those things you can’t worry about and just be happy when and if it goes up.
Thank You for this article Alex. I didn’t know about outgoing links to authority sites. I’ll implement some on my page. A nice piece of information You published I must say. Thanks again. I will follow You.
Thanks mate – I appreciate you taking the time to comment as such
You’re welcome anytime!
My dear Alex,
First off, I didn’t realize you live in Australia. Are you a Yank or an Ozzie? I moved to the states when I was 11 from the UK. But anyway, enough of that.
I’m glad to know that I’m not the only one who experienced dismay when I noticed my Page Rank drop from the glorious heights of PR4(!) to PR3.
I didn’t know what I had done to rise up and I sure as heck don’t know what happened to make it drop. After reading your nearly 3,000 words, I have some actions to take that will now “redirect” the activities I had planned for the afternoon.
Always lovely to see your smiling face. Whether you and Ana have high PR or not, you’re still cool peeps and I’m glad to know you
Hey Cheryl!
How can you not have known I was Aussie! And I am pure Aussie, well my Mum is English and My Dad is Australian.
SOrry to hear that Google shafted you too, but if they only knew that that girl was funny maybe they’d realise the error of their ways
Great to see you again Girl!
I wrote a piece on PageRank last october (comluv link below) and although I respect your decision (your blog = your rules) the reasons you gave for adding a nofollow to your links are just plain wrong.
Google and its justification for the nofollow is bull. Instead of fixing their defective algo (which is STILL open to link spamming), they created a band-aid solution that they then “threatened” webmasters with: use the nofollow on your blog or you’ll lose rankings and PageRank? Nofollow IS NOT the way links were created. I check / read what people are saying on my blog (and presumably you do too) so comments that go through have been approved! Why would you not trust your own decisions? Remove the link altogether if you do not want to endorse what the commenter is trying to sell on his site, but don’t play in Google’s hand.
Regarding Ana’s case, she’s got PR0 because her blog was launched after July 1st, which seems to be a cut-off date in the last PR update (posts on my blog published before have PR those published after don’t). And you said it yourslef, her traffic != her PageRank.
If you own a blog that has a high PR then you literally halve the amount of necessary backlinks to get your pages ranked Really? Indexed maybe, ranked NEVER! Give me 100 links from PR3 sites over 1 from PR7 any day. You can achieve a lot more by having a higher number of targeted anchors that a single one!
Your problem with PageRank might come from the fact that Google thinks you’re selling links. See those half a dozen ads in your right col. THEY should be nofollow, if you are scared of Google’s stick!
Dude,
You cant bring this much value to my post and not leave a name?!?
Thanks so much for pointing out that my aff links are still do follow. I assumed – of never mind, thanks!!
Resolved that issue, still leaving no follow comments though.
Best way to test I think – even though it appears that the leak is indeed a fallacy.
The quote you used, I was actually saying that if you are a PR5 site and you post about ‘X’ then it is going to be a lot easier for you to be indexed and ranked than the same guy posting on a PR1 site – this is assuming they do the same amount of backlinking to it.
OK that is also probably no longer applicable in the world where social media rules – OK back to the drawing board
Thanks again mr Ner Accountant, I appreciate your insights
Sorry mate, name’s Leo, messed up the sig by mistake.
There’s so many ranking factors that I do not think that the value shown in the TBPR is playing a major role anymore. Most people who do worry about their PageRank dropping are those who sell links and can charge more for a link on a PR5 page than one on a PR3 one.
If your PR dropped but you didn’t notice any drop in rankings or traffic, I wouldn’t fret. I did a check on a set of keywords I monitor – PR of the top 10 looks something like this: 1-6-3-4-2-2-5-3-0-2… these are all homepages ranking so “strong-ish” pages / main keywords for these sites, and I am sure you can find thousands of similar situations.
true that! (regarding PR in top ten)
Thanks again for pointing out the aff. link attribute issue.
Between that and the other measures I have taken (do/nofollow aside) I think I should do OK on the next update
Thanks again for joining and adding so much to the conversation here Leo, aka the net accountant
Hi Alex, wow what an informative post my friend. I like these list of sites to ping too. I just popped over to my settings tab and realised that there’s only one on there, so I’m copying your list if you don’t mind. Seems like opportunity I’m missing.
Always a great (and entertaining) read.
Matthew
P.S. What’s this pluggin which confirms you’re not a spammer?
Hey Matthew!
Mate, so glad you read this particular post and grabbed that ping list. You are gonna get indexed so much sooner now my friend – soon google will be spelt with two big red tomatoes instead of two Os
The plugin is called GASP (well thats the acronym that you will find it with) and it is by Andy Bailey of Commentluv fame.
Oh, and its the most effective spam blocking plugin EVER!
Thanks for popping in Matthew, always good to see you mate
I guess we should be reader-obsessed, and less page rank focused. I mean, we should be careful whom we link to, and more importantly, who links to us, and care less how to get back-links fast, fast, fast.
I took a visit on Ana’s blog (again) and she has a ZERO page rank. Wow. How is that possible? I guess we’d have to ask Google what’s happening there…
I am so glad I discovered this weblog. My blog has a PR4 ranking so please add me to your listing too (if you have one).
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WWW or non www is really beneficial as both the URL though same are treated different through crawlers. Few weeks ago in one of my project I have just coded the same code as shown above in .htaccess file in the root folder of that particular project but the proper canonicalization failed. The website is hosted on Apache server. Is there any different coding to correct this problem. Will like to get back here for the correct solution.
Hey Alex,
Great post… very informative! Well that’s a bummer that your PR went down. Don’t blame you for changing the game in the interim. Although I think you are right in saying at the end of the day unless you are looking for sponsors, it will make little difference.
Well my PR has remained the same but the odd thing is that my Alexa ranking went back up by about 10K in the last 2 months and I can’t for the life of me figure out why! My stats for my Google Analytics have been pretty much consistent and my feed reader #’s have actually gone up. Weird.
Anyway, great stuff. I’m sure that bad boy will be back up in no time.
Ciao!
Hey Michele.
Now you got me paranoid about my Alexa lol.
Not that has been consistently creeping lower and lower over time and of course the lower it gets the slower it creeps
currently at 34k but its taken a month to get from 38k.
Funny thing is that my toolbar pagerank is now back to 2 again – go figure??
Thanks for stopping by Michele, good to see you again
Very nice and info rich article really explain a lot about pagerank.
Were you astonished?
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